Sequencing in Revelation

As you read through the book of Revelation you'll notice that there is a sequence of images. A fundamental question that needs to be asked and answered is this: Are these images in the vision chronologically ordered or are they ordered in another way? In other words, does the trumpets sequence necessarily follow, time wise, after the seals sequence?

I must admit this was not an obvious question for me to ask. I had always assumed that all the visions and sequences where ordered sequentially in time. That is how Revelation was always presented to me since childhood. Further, I tend to view things in a linear sequence.

A few years ago, someone posed the question to me of whether the sequences in Revelation was something other than linear time sequences. It was such a new idea that I responded how in the world could it be something else?

I was then introduced to the word, "recapitulation". Recapitulation is the idea that the sequences in Revelation do not necessarily follow each other in time sequence, but rather look at history again from another perspective. The seals in Revelation shows a sequence of disaster, culminating in the sixth and seventh seal which seems to be the final judgement. Then we have the seven trumpets, which comes after the prayers of the saints. But we see in the trumpets disaster again. In a linear view, the disasters of the trumpets follow chronologically after the seals. However, the trumpets may be looking at the same period of history as the seals, presenting it from a different angle. As one author has suggested, these sequences would be viewed as "overlays" in history, each overlay providing a piece of the total picture of what is happening in history.

When I understood what that one pastor suggested, I had one of those big "aha" moments. I could fit the majors pieces of Revelation together, as overlays, and the picture made sense for the first time in my life. Initially, recapitulation may seem counter-intuitive. It was initially counter-intuitive to me simply because I was never exposed to it before. But it turns out to be a powerful organizing principle.

John, the author of Revelation, was Jewish, and ancient. His mind, and the mind of his near-eastern contemporaries, did not think in linear sequences that we do today. Recapitulation may well fit much better to their pattern of thinking. It also captures the sense of Hebrew poetry, which was done in cycles. Often passages are restated with a form of parallelism, where the couplet could restate what each other says, or state the opposite of each other. This is a form of recapitulation, and revelation does this on a grand scale.

Discover Revelation Together

It is interesting that I was a new bride in 2000 when my pastor was preaching on Revelation. I didn't pay the attention to it that I now pay listening to his live and recorded messages. I was just trying to get used to the Westminster Confession then—revelation would be for another day.



Another day came and a blessing is promised for studying and obeying Revelation in Rev. 1:3 and Rev. 22:7. Here is what I am learning.



The book of Revelation is about things about to come to past. Most of Revelation is history as the book of Acts is history. The seven churches were current churches when John was alive. He says the things are about to come to pass—judgment is about to happen.



I am learning to date the book of Revelation at 63-65 AD whereas others such as Pretribulation advocates say 95 AD with the events in Revelation to come. However, there is no place in Scripture for the building of a third temple.



The tribulation would have happened with the destruction of the temple around 70 AD, as predicted in Matthew 24. 70 AD marked the collapse of OT Judaism and the beginning of Rabbinic Judaism. The church is now Israel.



There are not two ways to God—it has always been through faith in Christ whether Jew in the Messiah or Christian in the risen Christ. This means we are in the millennial period now—it is not to come as the dispensationalists say. Much of Revelation is history, but from Revelation 20 the events are to come according to Talbot and Gentry. Victory ends the church age. After an extended period of gospel prosperity, earth history will be drawn to a close by Christ's return. We are in His kingdom, yet we pray "thy kingdom come"; this is similar to sanctification—I have been saved, I am being saved, and I shall be saved. His kingdom has come, is coming and His will is to be done in the kingdom.



Pre-tribulation advocates view their mission as selling fire insurance with the hope of the rapture and escaping the world. Post-tribulation advocates put their hope in Christ and concentrate on the world. Earl is teaching us about his variation of Amillennialism.



My pastor gives these points for chapter one:

1. This is the Revelation of Jesus Christ.

2. It was given to him by the Father.

3. He has given this information to His angels.

4. John bears witness that this is the Word of God.

5. John also witnessed the words of Christ who speaks to John before the vision is given.

6. John is commissioned to write down all he heard.

7. There is a blessing to those who hear, and heed the words of Revelation.

8. Judgment is about to come upon Jerusalem and Rome from Him who is about to judge. See Matt. 24. Seven Spirits refers to the Holy Spirit who comforts all of these churches.



Revelation 4-11 are events leading up to the destruction of Rome with Nero as the false prophet. Revelation 20 begins the millennium when Satan will be found and Christianity will spread.



My husband and I attended a conference on escatology in Oct. of 2008 in Draper, Virginia. DVDs are available from that conference. All of my questions to date were answered there. Here are two questions and answers given from this Draper conference.



1. Does dispensationalism add to or seal up the Bible?

Dispensationalism distorts the Bible, taking away from Scripture like liberals who don't believe all of Scripture.

2. Has Daniel been fulfilled? Yes, the seventy weeks in Daniel have been fulfilled. Else the pretribulation people have a 490 year gap until 2000.



I am the new kid of the block (blogg) for two reasons: I am new to blogging and new to the systematic study of Revelation.



Blog Purpose

This is planned to be a group blog on biblical eschatology. Its purpose is to explore the topic of end times discussed in the book of Revelation. The authors will have some differing perspectives on this. I hold to the view that the millennium described in the book of Revelation began with the death and resurrection of Christ and will continue until Christ's return. I also hold to the view that the tribulation also runs during the same period of the millennium. Most of the events discussed in Revelation are events that occur throughout the time from Christ's first advent until his second coming. My view is technically referred to as idealist and amillennial. Others joining this blog will have some different perspectives. What I hope this blog will accomplish is allowing us to sharpen each other, as iron sharpens iron, and help us to understand the topic of biblical eschatology better. All comments are welcome.

Advent, and the Spirit of Diotrophes

Episode 66: Comfort Comfort Ye my People


On this edition of Radical Grace, we start off by talking about the Advent hymn, Comfort Comfort ye my people, which is the opening theme music for our show.

Comfort, comfort ye My people,
Speak ye peace, thus saith our God;
Comfort those who sit in darkness,
Mourning ’neath their sorrow’s load;
Speak ye to Jerusalem
Of the peace that waits for them;
Tell her that her sins I cover,
And her warfare now is over.

For the herald’s voice is crying
In the desert far and near,
Bidding all men to repentance,
Since the kingdom now is here.
O that warning cry obey!
Now prepare for God a way!
Let the valleys rise to meet Him,
And the hills bow down to greet Him.

Yea, her sins our God will pardon,
Blotting out each dark misdeed;
All that well deserved His anger
He will no more see nor heed.
She has suffered many a day,
Now her griefs have passed away,
God will change her pining sadness
Into ever springing gladness.

Make ye straight what long was crooked,
Make the rougher places plain:
Let your hearts be true and humble,
As befits His holy reign,
For the glory of the Lord
Now o’er the earth is shed abroad,
And all flesh shall see the token
That His Word is never broken.


We also talk about an old concept, the Spirit of Diotrophes, presumably a spirit that causes an individual to divide over doctrine and to put people out of the church.

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Eternal Life and Damnation

Episode 65: Brother Mort and the Mercy of God


On this edition of Radical Grace we talk about the interview with Pastor Seth Florentino who, along with his District President and Synodical President, could face time in a Philippino prison for defying an order by a Methodist Judge to give Holy Communion to a rival group of Lutherans. Does all of that sound crazy? Well, it is a bit crazy, and you can hear more about it by listening to the interview.

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Before the show began Mort and absentee host Troy Curtis got into a discussion about Revelation chapter 20. The way he reads it, when people are thrown into the lake of fire they are instantly snuffed out and there is no eternal punishment. As the host of the show who is always on the lookout for the “live issues” of Christianity, I couldn’t resist making this the topic of the show. Does brother Mort believe in Annihilationism ? And can we set him straight? Can he be transformed by the renewing of his mind? If you haven’t listened an episode of Radical Grace yet, now is the time to start.


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Persecution and Lord's Supper

Episode 64: An Interview with Reverend Seth Florentino


Greetings and Welcome to a Special Edition of Radical Grace. Today I have the Reverend Seth Florentino of Gloria Dei Lutheran Church in the Philipines, Who has been in the middle of a controversy involving the courts in the Philipines, believe it or not, over Holy Communion. A judge wants Seth and his Synod to Practice open communion with a Rival Lutheran Group, and very likely the Judge will issue a contempt order to have Seth and two other pastors thrown in Jail. All because he stands by the word of God and the Lutheran Confessions.

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