Sequencing in Revelation

As you read through the book of Revelation you'll notice that there is a sequence of images. A fundamental question that needs to be asked and answered is this: Are these images in the vision chronologically ordered or are they ordered in another way? In other words, does the trumpets sequence necessarily follow, time wise, after the seals sequence?

I must admit this was not an obvious question for me to ask. I had always assumed that all the visions and sequences where ordered sequentially in time. That is how Revelation was always presented to me since childhood. Further, I tend to view things in a linear sequence.

A few years ago, someone posed the question to me of whether the sequences in Revelation was something other than linear time sequences. It was such a new idea that I responded how in the world could it be something else?

I was then introduced to the word, "recapitulation". Recapitulation is the idea that the sequences in Revelation do not necessarily follow each other in time sequence, but rather look at history again from another perspective. The seals in Revelation shows a sequence of disaster, culminating in the sixth and seventh seal which seems to be the final judgement. Then we have the seven trumpets, which comes after the prayers of the saints. But we see in the trumpets disaster again. In a linear view, the disasters of the trumpets follow chronologically after the seals. However, the trumpets may be looking at the same period of history as the seals, presenting it from a different angle. As one author has suggested, these sequences would be viewed as "overlays" in history, each overlay providing a piece of the total picture of what is happening in history.

When I understood what that one pastor suggested, I had one of those big "aha" moments. I could fit the majors pieces of Revelation together, as overlays, and the picture made sense for the first time in my life. Initially, recapitulation may seem counter-intuitive. It was initially counter-intuitive to me simply because I was never exposed to it before. But it turns out to be a powerful organizing principle.

John, the author of Revelation, was Jewish, and ancient. His mind, and the mind of his near-eastern contemporaries, did not think in linear sequences that we do today. Recapitulation may well fit much better to their pattern of thinking. It also captures the sense of Hebrew poetry, which was done in cycles. Often passages are restated with a form of parallelism, where the couplet could restate what each other says, or state the opposite of each other. This is a form of recapitulation, and revelation does this on a grand scale.

Discover Revelation Together

It is interesting that I was a new bride in 2000 when my pastor was preaching on Revelation. I didn't pay the attention to it that I now pay listening to his live and recorded messages. I was just trying to get used to the Westminster Confession then—revelation would be for another day.



Another day came and a blessing is promised for studying and obeying Revelation in Rev. 1:3 and Rev. 22:7. Here is what I am learning.



The book of Revelation is about things about to come to past. Most of Revelation is history as the book of Acts is history. The seven churches were current churches when John was alive. He says the things are about to come to pass—judgment is about to happen.



I am learning to date the book of Revelation at 63-65 AD whereas others such as Pretribulation advocates say 95 AD with the events in Revelation to come. However, there is no place in Scripture for the building of a third temple.



The tribulation would have happened with the destruction of the temple around 70 AD, as predicted in Matthew 24. 70 AD marked the collapse of OT Judaism and the beginning of Rabbinic Judaism. The church is now Israel.



There are not two ways to God—it has always been through faith in Christ whether Jew in the Messiah or Christian in the risen Christ. This means we are in the millennial period now—it is not to come as the dispensationalists say. Much of Revelation is history, but from Revelation 20 the events are to come according to Talbot and Gentry. Victory ends the church age. After an extended period of gospel prosperity, earth history will be drawn to a close by Christ's return. We are in His kingdom, yet we pray "thy kingdom come"; this is similar to sanctification—I have been saved, I am being saved, and I shall be saved. His kingdom has come, is coming and His will is to be done in the kingdom.



Pre-tribulation advocates view their mission as selling fire insurance with the hope of the rapture and escaping the world. Post-tribulation advocates put their hope in Christ and concentrate on the world. Earl is teaching us about his variation of Amillennialism.



My pastor gives these points for chapter one:

1. This is the Revelation of Jesus Christ.

2. It was given to him by the Father.

3. He has given this information to His angels.

4. John bears witness that this is the Word of God.

5. John also witnessed the words of Christ who speaks to John before the vision is given.

6. John is commissioned to write down all he heard.

7. There is a blessing to those who hear, and heed the words of Revelation.

8. Judgment is about to come upon Jerusalem and Rome from Him who is about to judge. See Matt. 24. Seven Spirits refers to the Holy Spirit who comforts all of these churches.



Revelation 4-11 are events leading up to the destruction of Rome with Nero as the false prophet. Revelation 20 begins the millennium when Satan will be found and Christianity will spread.



My husband and I attended a conference on escatology in Oct. of 2008 in Draper, Virginia. DVDs are available from that conference. All of my questions to date were answered there. Here are two questions and answers given from this Draper conference.



1. Does dispensationalism add to or seal up the Bible?

Dispensationalism distorts the Bible, taking away from Scripture like liberals who don't believe all of Scripture.

2. Has Daniel been fulfilled? Yes, the seventy weeks in Daniel have been fulfilled. Else the pretribulation people have a 490 year gap until 2000.



I am the new kid of the block (blogg) for two reasons: I am new to blogging and new to the systematic study of Revelation.



Blog Purpose

This is planned to be a group blog on biblical eschatology. Its purpose is to explore the topic of end times discussed in the book of Revelation. The authors will have some differing perspectives on this. I hold to the view that the millennium described in the book of Revelation began with the death and resurrection of Christ and will continue until Christ's return. I also hold to the view that the tribulation also runs during the same period of the millennium. Most of the events discussed in Revelation are events that occur throughout the time from Christ's first advent until his second coming. My view is technically referred to as idealist and amillennial. Others joining this blog will have some different perspectives. What I hope this blog will accomplish is allowing us to sharpen each other, as iron sharpens iron, and help us to understand the topic of biblical eschatology better. All comments are welcome.

Advent, and the Spirit of Diotrophes

Episode 66: Comfort Comfort Ye my People


On this edition of Radical Grace, we start off by talking about the Advent hymn, Comfort Comfort ye my people, which is the opening theme music for our show.

Comfort, comfort ye My people,
Speak ye peace, thus saith our God;
Comfort those who sit in darkness,
Mourning ’neath their sorrow’s load;
Speak ye to Jerusalem
Of the peace that waits for them;
Tell her that her sins I cover,
And her warfare now is over.

For the herald’s voice is crying
In the desert far and near,
Bidding all men to repentance,
Since the kingdom now is here.
O that warning cry obey!
Now prepare for God a way!
Let the valleys rise to meet Him,
And the hills bow down to greet Him.

Yea, her sins our God will pardon,
Blotting out each dark misdeed;
All that well deserved His anger
He will no more see nor heed.
She has suffered many a day,
Now her griefs have passed away,
God will change her pining sadness
Into ever springing gladness.

Make ye straight what long was crooked,
Make the rougher places plain:
Let your hearts be true and humble,
As befits His holy reign,
For the glory of the Lord
Now o’er the earth is shed abroad,
And all flesh shall see the token
That His Word is never broken.


We also talk about an old concept, the Spirit of Diotrophes, presumably a spirit that causes an individual to divide over doctrine and to put people out of the church.

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Eternal Life and Damnation

Episode 65: Brother Mort and the Mercy of God


On this edition of Radical Grace we talk about the interview with Pastor Seth Florentino who, along with his District President and Synodical President, could face time in a Philippino prison for defying an order by a Methodist Judge to give Holy Communion to a rival group of Lutherans. Does all of that sound crazy? Well, it is a bit crazy, and you can hear more about it by listening to the interview.

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Before the show began Mort and absentee host Troy Curtis got into a discussion about Revelation chapter 20. The way he reads it, when people are thrown into the lake of fire they are instantly snuffed out and there is no eternal punishment. As the host of the show who is always on the lookout for the “live issues” of Christianity, I couldn’t resist making this the topic of the show. Does brother Mort believe in Annihilationism ? And can we set him straight? Can he be transformed by the renewing of his mind? If you haven’t listened an episode of Radical Grace yet, now is the time to start.


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Persecution and Lord's Supper

Episode 64: An Interview with Reverend Seth Florentino


Greetings and Welcome to a Special Edition of Radical Grace. Today I have the Reverend Seth Florentino of Gloria Dei Lutheran Church in the Philipines, Who has been in the middle of a controversy involving the courts in the Philipines, believe it or not, over Holy Communion. A judge wants Seth and his Synod to Practice open communion with a Rival Lutheran Group, and very likely the Judge will issue a contempt order to have Seth and two other pastors thrown in Jail. All because he stands by the word of God and the Lutheran Confessions.

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Of Baptism, Wartberg Headquarters and Witness Protection

Episode 63: Baptismal Regeneration and how we can get confused.


In this edition of Radical Grace we talk about Baptism and Baptismal regeneration. What is the difference between the common view of Baptism in American Evangelicalism and the Biblical view of Baptism and why is it so important to understand the difference?
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Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit

Episode 62: If they hated you, remember that they first hated me.


Some Christians out there are still wondering what blasphemy of the Holy Spirit is and whether or not they have committed it. In this edition of Radical Grace we answer the question that seems to be a live issue for the church at large.

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The Parable of the Ten Minas

Episode 61: Pastor's forehead slapping moment!.


In this edition of Radical Grace we first have a brief discussion on the word Martyr, brother Mort shows us how NOT to talk about Jesus, and the parable of the Ten Minas from Luke 19:11. Listen in amazement as Pastor Held has one of the Pastor crushing forehead slapping moments.

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Barack Obama wins the Election

Episode 60: For this Purpose I have raised you up.


Senator Barack Obama has won the Presidential Election. But there are those out
there who believe that this is the work of Satan. In this edition of Radical Grace we talk about God putting people in positions of authority and how He has done this sort of thing in the past.

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One Gospel, one Christ

Episode 59: Who do you say that He is?


In this edition of Radical Grace we talk about something a lot of people have forgotten about. Who is Jesus? After all, he asked his own disciples the very same question, and then built his Church on the answer.

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Reformation Sunday 2008

Episode 58: Reformation Day Special


In this edition of Radical Grace we talk about Reformation Day... And Elsie’s cabbage rolls and German beer. And about some guy named Martin Luther.

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An Amazing Life ...

Have you ever just took a step back and really looked at your life? Super Dad was sitting on the floor the other day talking to Princess JF with Princess JL climbing all over his back, and I just watched in amazement. Afterwards, I asked him if this is how he thought his life would end up. He smiled and thought about it, and said, "No, not exactly. But I wouldn't change anything." I mean, he and I used to sit on the curb in front of his house and discuss our future together ... but we were 15 and 16 years old. I don't know that either of us really knew we would last forever!

Recent events have just really set my mind wondering on how amazing my life is. For starters, I saw an old friend last Saturday, and as I drug my feet across the floor to give him a hug, I had to apologize for being so tired. He asked why I was exhausted (it was only 8pm), and I told him I had to wake up to an alarm the past two days and be at the church at 7am for a consignment sale I was helping with. I am not used to too much physical labor (other than what is involved in raising 4 kids on a daily basis) and only wake to an alarm on Sundays. He looked at me and said, "Oh, you're one of those trophies." I laughed, and declared that I was in no way a trophy wife ... but as I began to think about it ... wow ... I DO have an amazing life.

Yesterday as I lay in bed waiting for Super Dad to tell me breakfast was ready (he goes in late on Thursdays and was making breakfast for everyone), he came in to talk with me as he waited for it to cook. He smiled at me as I sheepishly told him, "You made me this way ya know. You have treated me like a princess for over 17 years ... and I am so spoiled to you." I realized, once again, at that moment, that he is such an incredible man! I am truly blessed to have him in my life ... forever.

Also, "recently" Super Dad and I decided to cut loose on the apron strings a bit with Drama Queen. After much prayer and consideration, we decided to let her "date." By "date" we mean she is allowed to have a boyfriend. Losing Reagan taught me how to "let go and let God" ... so we took that step of faith. Fortunately, for us and Drama Queen, she has a terrific boyfriend. They started out as friends, grew the relationship into best friends, and after much persistence on his part, they recently began dating. As we were talking Wednesday night, Prince W was "noticing" some of his characteristics and I stopped him for a minute and smirked. I said, "He is exactly like your dad." Drama Queen laughed and stated, 'Which is good because you always say I need someone like Daddy because I am just like you ... and I need someone who will be able to put up with me like Daddy puts up with you." TRUE THAT! But, her relationship has opened my eyes towards other things.

I pointed out to Super Dad this past weekend how "affectionate" Drama Queen is. It made me proud actually to know that we have succeeded in making her comfortable enough in her environment to show someone she "loves" them. Affection wasn't an emotion shown in my house growing up, and I struggled with it for several years. I did not want my children to grow up that way ... and seeing Drama Queen with Prince Charming ... I can tell that we have taught her that it is ok to be affectionate with those you love ... just not too much at this age!

Also, I had to really take notice that my kids are growing up. That is always a sad, but exciting, realization for a parent to make. I've noticed the independent way my children have become ... which I pray they continue with because I am WAY too co-dependent on Super Dad. Sometimes that can be a bad thing. Hopefully they will take a nice piece of both qualities with them down life's path and be nice and rounded there.

Losing Reagan and going through the journey of the past 7 months has shown me that not only do I have the best family in the world (I TRULY love my immediate family more than words could ever express), but I also have such a great circle of friends. Knowing that I have family and friends praying for me and caring for me ... that in itself makes my life amazing! I am delighted in every relationship that God had placed me in ... and I grow everyday from those placed so eloquently around me. "I thank my God every time I remember you." - Philippians 1:3

Finally, although Super Dad and I have always struggled financially, God has always provided for us. No matter what, He always makes sure we have food, clothing and shelter. His provisions are right on time and He provides what he knows what we need ... and not always what we want. That keeps us humble and I am grateful for that. Again, it keeps my life amazing ... and keeps us richly blessed in His grace.

So, although we may not live an amazing life according to the riches of society and to the levels of others' taste ... I know that we wouldn't change one moment of it. Past circumstances have led us to today and grown us ... individually and together. We have matured together through a life time of trials and joys. Together we have an amazing life. Living in those moments that consistently take our breath away and always remembering to kiss good night. It's the little things every day that add up to the most incredible life in the end.

Every day I wake up to a kiss from the man I love, I spend quality time with the children I get out of bed for, and I go to bed in the arms of the man I love each night. I could not ask for more. God has blessed me with a surprisingly unbelievable life!

"Command those who are rich in this present world not to be arrogant nor to put their hope in wealth, which is so uncertain, but to put their hope in God, who richly provides us with everything for our enjoyment."- 1 Timothy 6:17

Dr. Uwe Seimon-Netto on Radical Grace

Episode 57: Race, Abortion, and Civil Rights


On this edition of Radical Grace Dr. Uwe Seimon-Netto joins us to talk about racial divides in the church. We also talked about how the culture seems to have had a moral lobotomy with regards to Abortion, and the role of journalist in the culture as well as the state of journalism today.

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This Bread that we Break...

Episode 56: Where is Jesus?


In this edition of Radical Grace we talk about the Lord's Supper. Over the last few weeks we've talked about the questions "where do I find God?" and today we talked about a specific place where Jesus can be found and is available for all his people.

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Today on Radical Grace, Uwe Siemon-Netto


On Today's Show, Dr. Uwe Siemon-Netto joins us to talk about Race and Segregation, The vocation of Jounalist, and the state of education. If you'd like to listen, tune in at 2pm Eastern Standard Time (1pm in Nebraska) by clicking >>here<<, and the audio will begin playing. If you'd like to give us a call from anywhere in Brevard County Florida, call 1-321-632-1510, or if you are out of the area call 1-800-648-1437.

Of Radical Grace, Hypocrisy and the Church

Episode 55: What is Radical Grace?


Jerry is our board opp. Jerry asked a question. Jerry wanted to know what Radical Grace is. We told him. His spiritual life imploded.

End of Story? We sometimes assume too much when we believe that people understand what we mean by Radical Grace, so I pointed Jerry and the listners to the end of Romans Chapter 5 and the beginning of Chapter 6.

We also talked about hypocrisy and how people use this as an excuse not to come to Church.

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Seek the Lord while He may be found.

Episode 54: The solution to Cheap Grace


In this edition of Radical Grace we continue a discussion of Isaiah 55:6, and more importantly a discussion of the solution to an attitude of treating God's Grace as if it were a common thing.

It also looks like we're going to tackle the often hard subject of "where is God when I'm suffering".

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Cheap Grace

Episode 53: Can Christians truly abuse God's Grace?


Is there really a problem with Cheap Grace these days? Pastor Greg Leseur of Christ Lutheran Church in Cape Canaveral joins us again as we look at the idea of Cheap Grace and talk about how this might be possible for Christians… if it’s possible at all.

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Trust God and Hang on Tight!

Episode 51: Sanctified: Set apart by God?


I heard something that said a lot to me this week. "Those who have learned to do good will do what they've learned to do. Those who have learned to do evil will do what they've learned to do. Those who have learned to obey will obey. Those who have learned to disobey will disobey. All of them need forgiveness".

One of the most difficult things I had to learn after coming understand the Gospel and how it's important in my life was to learn that no matter how good I get at obeying God's law, I am still as much a sinner as I ever was. In fact, I read in the Bible that knowing the law actually makes the sin worse, and a lot of the time I see how much more sinful I really am just by trying to follow God's law. It took a long time for me, in fact... it's still taking a long time because I still don't feel like I get this right. Sanctification would be easy if it really were only about changing the way I act or changing the way I behave. But it's not easy at all, because it involves a problem I have in my heart. There's something broken in me that's just not responding to treatment. People around might say, "oh Matthew, your acting so much better this year than you did last year", but to me I'm only going through the motions. It was hard to learn that this is how it is for a Christian.

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The Miracle of Suffering

Episode 50: "But first, I need to get right with God"...


I remember a while back, there was a man who lived in the apartment complex across the parking lot from me. He was once a Roman Catholic, long since "backslidden", so to speak, not a practicing Catholic at all. I tried several times to get him to come to church, to bring his family. But every time he'd say, "No. First I gotta get right with God".

Now what do you say to that? I have to admit, I didn't know what to say to him. Even though I knew enough about the Bible back then to understand what Jesus had done for me, and I could speak plainly about all of things that had happened in my life and I could give a pretty good testimony, none of that could address what his problem was. He knew well what was wrong, that he was sinful, that he needed a savior, but he couldn't get over this idea that he needed to get right with God before he could start going back to church.

Is he wrong?

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What does it mean to be sanctified?

Episode 49: Faint Praise? How do I make it better?



Last night I had a dream, and in the dream I said a prayer. Now, I have to say, I can’t remember ever dreaming about praying, but leaving that aside for the time being, the prayer went like this.

“Lord forgive me because this is going to sound like I’m offering you faint praise”

This made me realize something. One of the things that has been going on in my life for a long time now is that I’m realizing, more and more, how much of my prayer and praise life just doesn’t measure up to what it should be. For instance, I could get 100 people to plan the most fantastic worship service, write the finest music, find the finest pastors to preach the most enlightening sermons and organize and practice the service for weeks on end… and in the end, it still wouldn’t be what it should be or even enough to achieve the type of praise and worship that God truly deserves.

I think, too often in our own lives, that we find ourselves in a similar situation. We feel as though we aren’t what we ought to be. We definitely don’t feel like we’re children of God, nor do we feel like we have attained any kind of sanctified life or any level of holiness. But what I’ve found is good to do is to ask this question: What does it mean to be sanctified?

In the last few week’s we’ve been setting the table, so to speak, by taking a few of the parables of Jesus and other difficult passages and interpreting them in the light of the Gospel. We’re not leaving that behind by no means, but since the question has been asked, what does it mean to be sanctified, we believe we are now in a good position to talk about one of the most daunting and most perplexing problems Christians face daily.

What does it mean to be sanctified?


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The Parable of the Ten Virgins

Episode 48: How Much Glory is enough for God?



This time on Radical Grace we asked the question, "how much glory is enough for God?", to which we reply, "all glory and honor and praise belong to Him". Pretty simple? Well, some people say things like this: "My righteousness is about 55%, but Jesus thankfully makes up the difference". Doesn't that take away from the Glory that God deserves?

Also, we take another parable, the 10 Virgins in Luke Chapter 25, and look at it from a Law and Gospel perspective.

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The Lost Son

Episode 47: The Parable of the Prodigal Son



In this edition of Radical Grace, we spend some time with the parable of the Prodigal Son. This fascinating look at the parable is another exercise in dividing Law and Gospel and should not be missed.

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The Good Samaritan

Episode 46: "Unbelievable Power Cards"



This week on Radical Grace we talk about "Power Verses" as Evangelicals call them and look at how all too often people choose law verses rather than gospel verses. Also we take a look at the parable of the good Samaritan from a Law and Gospel perspective.

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The Rich Young Ruler

Episode 45: The Church and Falling Away



In this edition of Radical Grace, Pastor Gary, Troy Curtis and I are joined by Reverand Paul Espisito of First Baptist Church in Cocoa and General Manager of WWBC to discuss the topic of the Church falling away from the faith, and to discuss the narrative in Mark chapter ten concerning the Rich Young Ruler. This will be an ongoing segment where we tackle tough sections of scripture from a Law and Gospel perspective.

Pastor Paul literally ran from the room to get his bible just before the bible study portion... The man loves God's word!



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Treasure hidden in a field

Episode 44: Law and Gospel



In this edition of Radical Grace, Pastor Held and I discuss the parable of the Treasure Hidden in a Field, and the implications of properly distinguishing between Law and Gospel.

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Unshakeable Faith

Funny that this is the current series we are going through at church: Unshakeable Faith. The series began on the Sunday morning following our doctor’s appointment on Thursday, March 27, where we were told that we had lost our baby, Reagan. It was simply the hardest news I’ve ever had to receive and the toughest test of my faith in my walk with Christ thus far. God has shown himself in so many situations in my life in just the past 8 years of choosing to following Him daily.

I began walking intimately with Christ while Super Dad and I were separated. As I was looking to fill a void left by Super Dad’s leaving, I was able to find true, unconditional love in Christ. My dedicated relationship with Him began in July 2000. My faith was new, but it continued to grow as I saw God’s presence in my life and in the hearts of my children. Jesus talks about the faith of a child and it amazing how my children have shown me more about faith than anyone ever could.

When Super Dad & I were separated, I remember being in the bathroom with 4 year old Prince W, waiting for him to finish brushing his teeth for bed. As I waited and he finished up, he said, “Mommy, I know that you and Drama Queen don’t like Daddy anymore … but I’m going to keep praying for him.” Ok,” I told him, “You do what you think you need to do.” He looked at me again and started making circular motions around his heart with his little hand, “You see, Jesus is trying to get into Daddy’s heart, but the devil is circling him and won’t let Jesus in.” I was in shock at his knowledge of Christ already, but proud of His faith in our Lord. He continued to pray and within months Super Dad and I were able to restore our marriage … all because of the unshakeable faith of a child.

Our most recent test of faith began with a simple statement from our (then) 3 year old, Princess JF. She began telling us in October ’07 that I was going to have two babies. I kept telling her that we weren’t having ANY more babies and that we most definitely would not be having twins! But, come January, we found out we were pregnant with baby #5! She was right all along. I remember asking her how she knew we were going to have a baby. She was simply delighted in the fact that the baby was coming. When we found out we lost the baby, Princess JF was actually the only other person with me that day at the doctor. When we left, I held her in the van and cried as she prayed. She told our older kids about the baby because I could not say the words. Every time she sees my crying, she gathers the whole family, asks everyone to hold hands, and prays not only for me and for our baby, but for the family as a whole. Her faith in God and her understanding in how He is present in every situation, no matter how small, teaches me how I should trust in Him as well. Just last week I remembered something … Princess JF said I would have two babies … one boy and one girl. Now, we have not yet been told Reagan’s gender, the test results won’t be back for several weeks, and I’m not sure I want to know at this time, but I realized that Jaden knew we would have TWO babies. I told her would weren’t having any more at all … but Reagan proved me wrong already. Now, as Super Dad & I are still praying about trying for another … Princess JF’s faith tells me that we still have one more baby coming from Jesus. Her faith is unshakeable.

Finally, even the smallest person can make a difference in the lives of others. Reagan, although never seen or felt outside my womb, has impacted my life in the biggest way. We know that faith in Christ is not an easy path, and that it is truly more about the destination than the journey. I had to choose from the very beginning of the situation to continue to put my faith in Christ. I could not question His plan for Reagan, I could only accept that my baby was too beautiful for earth and was needed much more in Heaven. I was completely devastated with the loss and it is the most heart breaking experience I myself have gone through. But, my faith in Christ is what helps me continue to walk through my grief, to continue to hold on, and to know that I will get to the other side of my pain. I can feel God’s presence surrounding me in those quiet times when I am focused on my baby I will never see. As others ask “Why your baby? Why not the undeserving pregnant mothers who do drugs or beat their children?” I reply, “I have no right to ask those questions. My faith alone keeps me from questioning God's plan for Reagan. I simply pray for comfort daily and rest in knowing that I will one day be reunited with my baby.” Reagan has taught me that God is my “Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.” Without Him, there’s no way I could walk through this journey. My angel baby has already shown purpose to my life and those around me … losing Reagan has shown me that my faith is strong and can not be shaken … even by death. I live only for God, completely trust in Him for my life, and will continue to pick up my cross and follow Him daily. Reagan has shown me that my faith is unshakeable.

“Blessed is the man who perseveres under trial, because when he has stood the test, he will receive the crown of life that God has promised to those who love him.” - James 1:12

April 2, 2008

First of all I need to mention that we decided to name our angel "Reagan". We had only tossed around a few names and this was one that Drama Queen & I liked, and when I looked up the meaning this week I found that it meant "little king/queen" or "royalty" ... and that’s what our baby is in Heaven.

Every mother has a birth plan as she prepares for her child’s welcome into this world. Home birth? Hospital? Natural birth? Epidural? Hubby? Doula? Doctor? Midwife? Music? Quiet? Lamaze? Massage? The options are endless really, as long as mom and the baby are safe with the decisions. But, as we entered the hospital on Wednesday, April 2, it was nothing like what I had planned for Reagan’s birth in September. I was escorted to a room where I was given my IV and asked to wait. Super Dad and I watched TV quietly as we waited for the next hour and a half. We talked only a moment as I cried about the upcoming procedure. I knew that in a few hours my baby would no longer be dwelling within me. I’d no longer be "connected" to my baby ... and the reality of the situation was setting in.

Around 12:30pm they came in to check all my vital signs and get me ready to go to the operating room. My nurse came in with the anesthesiologist and told Super Dad that the Dr would come talk to him soon ... it shouldn’t take long. I was given a dose of medicine through my IV and they wheeled me down the halls. Twisting and turning I can remember looking at the lights and noticing them getting blurry as we progressed through the winding corridors. We entered into the OR and I remember seeing another nurse preparing the tools and such. I was wheeled in and my arms were outstretched onto two boards and I lay there as Jesus hung crucified on the cross for me. They put a mask on me and told me to take a deep breath ... and I awoke two hours later in the recovery room.

I remember opening my eyes to an oxygen mask and a nurse saying my name. I looked around to find a clock and see the time. I couldn’t believe I had been out for two hours. I had absolutely no recollection of anything in the operating room. Once I was finally able to see my hubby again I cried knowing my baby was really gone at this point … I would be leaving the hospital with only pain and medicines. It seemed very surreal. It still does. I am still in a bit of shock from the whole ordeal ... but I realize I must go on and live for the 4 awesome children I can hold everyday. God has blessed me with an amazing family.

Thanks to each of you that have sent messages of simple prayer and thoughts. I can’t say that the pain has eased, but with each day I feel the comfort of the Lord even more.

Mother’s Intuition

(Reposted from our MySpace blog):


Ya know, in all the times in my life when I was right ... I was praying that I would be wrong at least this once. When I left for the doctor on Thursday morning, March 27, I simply put on our MySpace that we were "praying all went well." Why? Because I had an awful feeling something was wrong. So, as I try to get through this (and I’m "writing my feelings down" in hopes of trying to work through my own grieving process) ... I’ll explain the events of the day.

My doctor’s appointment was at 11:30am, and I went with the hope that the doctor would relinquish my fears and that I could continue on with this pregnancy with a new sense of relief. My fears began on Thursday, March 13 when I went to bed. I laid down and instantly felt really sick. I sat up, ran to the bathroom, came back to lay down, and spent the rest of the night up holding my stomach. I have never, in all 4 of the other pregnancies, felt this kind of nausea. My body felt warm and it was just "not right" to me. The next day I got online looking for "miscarriage" symptoms, but none listed extreme nausea as a sign ... so I tried to dismiss my worries. The nausea would repeat itself at various times over the next week or so. I also noticed that I wasn’t showing as much as when I was pregnant with the little princesses ... but dismissed that to the "wishful thinking" that I was carrying a boy. Other than that, everything was normal.

So, when I got to the doctor on Thursday, the first thing he did was feel for the uterus to check for growth. I asked him if it was growing and he said it felt as it should, and I simply told him I was relieved to hear that at least because I didn’t feel as though I was growing as with the last two. Next, he got out the doppler and began searching for a fetal heartbeat ... all he found was mine. He kept moving the doppler around, feeling the uterus, changing directions, pushing harder, anything to find the baby’s heartbeat ... but he found nothing. As I laid there, I knew in my heart that my worst fear was about to be confirmed. I prayed as I laid there waiting for him to bring in the sonogram machine ... "please, God, let there be a heartbeat". Tears streamed down my face as soon as I saw the first sonogram image ... I’ve had enough sonograms to know what they should look like ... and it was painfully obvious that there was no apparent heart beating in the baby’s chest. The picture of my baby laying there motionless is forever burned into my memory. Everytime I close my eyes I can still see it as though it were right in front of me.

The doctor began measuring the baby, without saying a word. I watched and noticed the measurements were putting the baby two weeks behind where we were in the pregnancy. The baby stopped growing two weeks ago ... around the same time the nausea began. Finally, the doctor spoke, "We have a problem." I simply said, " I know, there’s no heartbeat." He pushed around on my stomach to try and stimulate the baby, but there was still no movement, no heartbeat. He tried repeatedly to find some small glimmer of hope within the chest cavity, but I knew it wasn’t there. As I sat up in tears, he simply hugged me and tried to console me ... and poor Princess JF, the only one I had with me, had no idea how to comprehend what had just taken place in front of her. I called her over and held her tight as the doctor explained the next steps to me. I could either experience the miscarriage "naturally" (which I am praying doesn’t happen because I don’t think I could handle it right now) or I could have a D&C. The D&C is scheduled for this Wednesday(4/2) at noon. Afterwards, the baby will be sent to the pathology lab to try and determine why it died. Hopefully, we can get some sort of closure just knowing "why?"

The past two days have gone by in slow motion. I can’t eat, sleep, or simply function as a normal person. My days are filled with heartache and tears ... I know nothing else right now. I find comfort not only in knowing that God is in control and will care for my baby until we are reunited in heaven, but also in my husband, my kids, and my family. I have no idea how to deal with these emotions and have never felt pain like this in my life. I’ve lost people close to me before, but nothing can relate to the loss of a child. It doesn’t matter to me that I have never held this baby in my arms ... it’s still my baby. I saw it moving around with a normal heartbeat at our first appointment. I’ve seen the baby alive within me.

Superdad says that no one else within our home can know the pain I feel since I am the only one that has had the real opportunity to bond with it. It was not yet big enough to be felt or seen from outside my stomach. But, the kids still mourn. Their tears simply bring me more pain. Princess JL is too young to understand, and Princess JF tells people that our baby had no heartbeat and went home to Jesus. But, she still keeps asking when it’s going to come out. She was SO looking forward to this baby ... more than the other 3. Funny, I’ve tried for the past 2 weeks to try and look pregnant, instead of just chubby ... but now I’d give anything to hide my "baby bump." I simply don’t want people touching my belly or asking me questions ... if they can’t tell I’m pregnant, they won’t ask about it. I don’t want to see anyone. I don’t want to talk to anyone. I just want to crawl up in bed and stay there for a while ... surrounded only by my family. I need them to hold me and let me know that it’s going to be ok. At this point, I know I have 4 amazing kids already, but this baby meant no less to me than one of them ... and I have to grieve for it. I needed my mom to hold me and tell me it wasn’t my fault ... I didn’t do anything wrong. I needed her to tell me I had to eat and had to quit starving myself. I needed to hold my dad and cry with him as he shed tears for the grandchild he too would never see on earth.

My emotions are all over the place. I’m confused, sad, filled with guilt, anything but angry. I assured my hubby that I had no anger towards God as I mentioned to him that I could not attend church this Sunday (3/31). I still pray daily ... asking for comfort, peace, understanding. I understand that God sometimes takes home those babies that may have a more than challenging life here on earth (the doctor mentioned that there may have been some abnormality in the formation of the baby’s head) and will care for the baby until we arrive. So, please simply pray with us as we go through this process. I’ve read a few articles on pregnancy loss and I know myself enough to know that the pain and the sadness will forever be with me ... but I will get through this with God’s help. He has already shown Himself in so many situations in our lives ... I know he’ll be present even more as we walk through this time.

Tuesday Toot


Well, I must begin by simply saying ... it's a big deal for me just to be back at my computer! The whole "family illness" ordeal took a good 3 weeks for the family to get over. Super Dad and Drama Queen are STILL trying to get their voices back and Princess JF STILL has remnants of her rash left on the elbows?! But, all in all, everyone is doing much better!

It is an accomplishment recently for me to simply get off the couch!! We are in week 10 of the pregnancy and I have been extremely tired. Therefore, the simple fact that I am sitting at my computer being a bit more productive than normal is worthy of a "toot" today!! : )

Finally, I'd like to give Super Dad his dues. He planned for a babysitter on Saturday so that he and I could just get away for a few hours. We had a delicious dinner at Red Lobster, then he had already made a hair appointment for me that we went straight to (he knows I wanted a hair cut but refuse to spend money on myself), and then a quick stop at Motherhood Maternity for a new outfit (although right now I'm doing good wearing a size or two up in pants ... it was a nice gesture). Even though the evening ended with one of the worse migraines of my life (I went home, took Tylenol and straight to bed after picking up the kids) ... Super Dad was ever so nice in his planning and caring for the kids after I went to bed. So ... there's a "Toot" for each of us!

Read more "Tuesday Toots" at MommyCommunity.com.

"Almost" Back in the Game


Well ... this is just a sampling of the medicines we've had the past few weeks. The children's brands are missing ... I think my son used them all. I know there is also at least one more missing that Super Dad takes to work with him still. plus, we went through at least two of each kind of medicine. Hence the reason the Motrin is still wrapped ... it was our second bottle. Not to mention regular Tylenol for the older two and Super Dad's fevers and headaches. It was down right crazy! Let's see if I can recap each member's illness:

Princess JF - fever (up to 104.5), vomiting, rash, aching legs, lethargic, sore throat, nosebleed - started on Tuesday, 1/19 and showed last signs of fever on Tuesday, 2/5 (still has remnants of rash)
Princess JL - fever (up to 103.6), lethargic, coughing, runny nose, ear infection, nosebleed- started on Friday, 2/1 and showed last signs of fever on Friday, 2/8
Super Dad - mid-grade fever, stomach ache, bad sore throat and cough, nosebleed, aches - started on Saturday, 2/2, missed 4 days of work, still has trouble with cough and laryngitis
Prince W - mid-grade fever, stomach ache, bad sore throat and cough, double ear infection - started on Saturday, 2/2 and showed last signs of illness of Saturday, 2/9
Drama Queen - low grade fever, bad sore throat and cough, headaches, lethargic - started on Friday, 2/8 ... still on-going

So ... we're not completely out of the woods ... but I think we are finally coming into a clearing! The doctor said it was a "viral infection" so there was no choice but to "wait it out." There were some tense moments, especially with Princess JF, where I was ready to run her to the ER because I was so afraid she was dehydrating from the high fever ... and the fact that she wouldn't eat a thing! She repeatedly sipped on a glass of water, but at one point that even became too much for her to pick up! It was very exhausting ... but I'm so glad it's just about over! God must have hand His hands surrounding me, because even though I am with my kids 24/7 ... (more than Super Dad) ... I did not seem to catch the virus. I was worried because not knowing what type of virus it was, I could not be sure whether or not it would harm the baby if I was to catch it. I am so grateful that God allowed me to remain healthy for the duration to take care of my family!

As far as the pregnancy, I really haven't even been able to think about it much the past two weeks, the good thing being that those two weeks flew by and now we only have 32 more to go! :) I can tell you that I've had to resort to a bland diet within the past week, eating mostly white rice. Everything looks good, but once I eat it, I feel awful! I can't stand the thought of raw meat, so Super Dad has been cooking dinner. Last night he made a great chicken fajita salad, and tonight it's broccoli and cheese covered baked potatoes. Something simple ... and bland. We all need to regain our strength from the events of the past two weeks, so poor Prince W is going to have to suffer through some veggies for the next week or so (he is our "steak and potatoes" child ... and could care less about veggies). Also, everything in the house smells absolutely disgusting! The kids make pizza rolls for lunch and I want to get sick, Super Dad wanted onions in his salad and that made me sick, even our reed diffusers in the house we got for Christmas make me want to be ill! So, I think that's why the bland diet works for me ... I can't handle the smell of the foods?! I don't remember ever being this bad with any of the other 4 pregnancies ... and hopefully it passes soon with the end of the first trimester approaching in about 4 weeks!!

BTW ... have any of you ever dealt with ptyalism with pregnancy? It's defined as an "excessive flow of saliva." It drives me crazy! I have dealt with it with each pregnancy ... and it doesn't stop until delivery! I have hard candy constantly surrounding me, I try drinking small sips of water, sucking on ice chips, eating crackers, whatever I can to diminish the effects. If it wasn't for this "disorder" I don't think my nausea would be all day ... nor as bad. My last doctor suggested some sort of garlic candy ... but that sounded even more nauseating! With my oldest daughter, I carried a spit cup around ... gross I know ... but my doctor said to spit out as much as I could. Anyone have anything? Any suggestions? I have 32 more weeks of this to go ... and it's the worst part of my pregnancies ... because it is a constant nuisance, all day, without ceasing! Oh wait, it doesn't start until after I eat each morning. So, I hold off as long as possible ... but a pregnant girl has gotta eat! Anything else? :)

The saga continues ...

Well, here it is Friday ... an Princess JF is STILL sick! At least we haven't had any vomiting since day one ... but it's pretty sad watching her feel so miserable. Let's see if I can time line it for you ... and you'll see why I haven't been on this week ...

Tuesday @ Noon - she claimed that her tunny hurt while eating lunch
Tuesday @ 2pm - fever of 102 began
Tuesday @ 5pm - vomited
Wednesday - fever continued, coughing began
Wednesday Evening - noticed rash on hands, elbows, and face, and sporadically placed over her stomach, back, ankles and other places
Thursday am - still has fever, rash getting redder, called Dr
Thursday @ 1:45pm - took her to Dr, unrecognizable rash, negative strep culture, diagnosed with "viral infection" (meaning they don't know what it is ... no meds can help)
Thursday evening - FINALLY up playing, ate a bit of food
Thursday night - back down with a 102 fever, bed early
Friday morning @ 6am - Princess JL woke up with a fever of 101.6
Friday morning - Princess JF woke with fever still, has already taken two naps at 9:30am, laid up on couch with glass of ice water (all she has wanted for the past 4 days ... at least she's staying hydrated)
Right now - older two are at all day co-op we attend on Fridays as "enrichment classes" for our homeschool , as well as socialization with other great families (BTW ... thanks to another kind Mom who took them for me today) , Princess JF & JL are on the couch watching Dora, I "snuck" in here to check emails and blog quickly. Princess JL is going to sleep.

**Update** Both girls went to sleep as I typed the first entry and slept until I woke them to go have lunch with the older two (I didn't think it was going to get this bad when I promised to come for lunch). When I woke Princess JF to get her dressed she was on fire! Her temp was 104.5!! OMGoodness! I freaked out! Gave her Motrin, called hubby, and pondered what to do. We decided to wait and see how Motrin affected her ... it brought the fever down to 102 within an hour. Now what? She says her legs hurt and she doesn't want to walk. She didn't want to carry her cup of water ... it was too heavy. She is so lethargic and weak ... it's scary! We may have to see how the rest of the afternoon goes. I may end up taking her to the ER? Prayers are wonderfully accepted! Thanks for all your kind words thus far!

I've had NO TIME to even think about my own "all day 'morning' sickness." I'm extremely exhausted from nursing Princess JF all week, plus trying to deal with the normal hormonal changes caused by pregnancy (which literally yank every bit of energy from me). The kitchen is a mess. Laundry isn't done. I've hardly done a thing with the older two's school work the past two days. We went to my parent's for dinner last night (Thank God for them being so near and loving us enough). Super Dad had to work late last night and tonight! UGH! I feel like I've done nothing but lay on the couch or in bed since Tuesday afternoon ... but really, I am just praying that my girls get better soon! Although it's a bit quieter around the house with both of them laid up ... I sure miss their energy and laughter! : (